To be honest when I look inside me I see that enlightenment is a struggle for me. It is about doing. It is about trying to do and succeed. P'taah sais it has nothing to do with all this. He says that we are already perfect and there is no need to struggle. He sais it and he said it many times. But to be honest this belief that I am not "going to make it", that I am not "enough" is so strong in all sections of life that I find myself in struggle. Again and again. When I notice that I am judging others and myself I say to myself Oh I must stop this. "Judging is bad, it shows that I am not able to love the others so I start fighting with...I don't know what". I believe if I don't give up judging me and others I will never reach love. But on this way I start to judge my "judging part" and of course -automaically- I judge everybody who judges the others and this is not love either. It is nothing we can understand with our "minds" and it will never be. There is never a recipe for being more of who we are and there can never ever be. Everything we hear about "remembering our own soverignty, own wisdom, own beauty" we take with our usual approach of "doing, otherwise...we won't make it!". This approach is good to reach many things in life. It is good to survive too. But becoming the more of us has nothing to do with this. It is about saying to ourselves we are perfect and eternal beings and we are loved without judgenment whatever we do or think. The "we" which we percieve, the baby thinks he must "get enlightened", he must struggle for light and wisdom...So, it's a sad sad story.
It is again words, suggestions, proposals, thoughts you can offer me. This is the only thing one can offer another. Methods, teachings, approaches. The point is what I am going to make with them. Will I take them as a struggle out of the belief I "won't make it because I am not worthy of all these beautiful things", out of the belief of "lack" or will I understand that there's no lack, there's no need to struggle. Do I believe that I am worthy or not? At this point nobody can help another one. Everybody has his own task...
Not so sad if you look at it slightly differently my dear and beloved Burake!
You say we can only offer words, but we can offer love also. We can offer encouragement. We can offer our shared experiences, and our shared growth. True that we each have to make our own decisions. Each of us decided on separation, so each of us is responsible for choosing otherwise. We're going to choose to judge again and again, it's just the recognition of our judging and then practicing otherwise that helps us up out of the muck.
We can offer what works for us, and maybe it will work for another.
I hear you about the judging and the judging of the judging. One thing someone told me once has helped me. If you find yourself judging yourself because you've just been judging, or if you find yourself being judgmental of someone or something else, you can just recognize it and say to yourself, "ok, I took the ego's way, so what else is new? I still think I'm a separated aspect of creation. I'll choose again and look at this differently."
This makes it so I'm not judging my own judgment. I just acknowledge that I've done that, and that I prefer another way. It's the recognition (being vigilant) and practice that helps me become less judgmental.
Do not despair my friend. I'm with you and so are we all. None of us are alone. We are one. Keep the faith, and Happy New Year.
Hi Burake - It is a struggle, I agree. And I bet just writing all of it down helped some.
I have nothing to offer except my own experiences. I guess the bottom line for me is Can I love myself even tho I am such an (seemingly) imperfect being?
The answer to this sets me on the path.... All love as we are all in this together! Patricia
This thought helps sometimes: I am not alone. When I read a text here or write I do it not as a separate person but as a "whole". Do you know what I mean? I am not writing something and Patricia is reading it but it is all the "same" energy. Everybody I see around me is in a way - "me". And that's why I am here I believe. I am not alone. You are all my family. I am talking about the spiritual family. The connection to this family has a much different energy than to the biological family. It is about being one. It is about being always together. It is about how stupid it is to believe that I am lonely. The feeling is there. Being abandoned, being left behind, not being loved etc. And on the other hand I believe that there is a connection. And I am thankful that I am sometimes able to feel it and can grow in this feeling of connection, in non separateness, love and trust. And the power of trust, love, non separation can make me believe in these again, not the power of the thoughts that I am separated. Deep inside I haave this trust. Deep inside I know that I am being loved with no expectations and conditions at all. Deep inside I know that I am worthy and there's no need to fear - anything. No need to fear to make a mistake, no need to fear that I am not going to make it, no need to fear...Deep inside on a level which is not always conscious to me I know that I am being supported, nurtured, listened to and accepted. Deep inside on this level I know the beauty I am and the lack of sense in trying not to be something which I am already. I see the lack of sense in trying to be perfect on thousand levels of my interior and exterior life. The high expectations I have of my own are nonsense when I am aware that I am connected and being loved unconditionally. Let's make a good game out of this I say to myself. Let's leave sorrow and pain behind.
The struggle is inside you know. Everything I hear about getting enlightened etc. I make a struggle out of them. And the belief that makes me think like that is there's something wrong with me. If I don't use the baby me tool I will never reach love. If I do not meditate I will never understand what love is. If I don't understand what P'tah says I will never reach that thing which is supposed to fill the emptiness inside. That I am simply -actually very simply beuatiful as I am, that is something which is unusual, forgotten even unbelieveable. What is it to be loved unconditionally? To be loved, supported, protected, nurtured. All the methods, all the wayshowings don't help if I don't understand on the deepest level that I don't really need them. That everything is just a game. A game of love.
Interpretation of words varies depending on the person's perception. For instance, the statement "If I don't use the baby me tool I will never reach love" has never occurred to me.
I frequently forget (or choose not to use) the baby me tool. I might use it later, or I might not. But to say I will never reach love if I don't use it, wouldn't be true for me.
Yes, sometimes I judge myself to be a worthless piece of ****, but eventually I remember that's not the truth of me, and I come to understanding and peace with whatever had been going on to trigger that feeling of worthlessness.
It's true we don't really need the wayshowings and that eventually, we put them aside. But for some of us, those wayshowings are very, very helpful, until we do.
I'm not sure if you are actually going through a struggle, or whether you are trying to teach, or make a point. Perhaps all of the above. Either or all are fine. And you make some excellent points.
Yet I wanted to point out that never has P'taah said that if you don't use one of his tools you will never reach love, and I don't recall seeing anyone here on the board saying that (although it could certainly be a thought in someone's mind who chose to see it that way). That just isn't part of these teachings. Tools can help some - probably not all - in their process of reawakening to the truth they are. Each person can pick the tools, or exercises, or the books and information or even simply the life experiences without ANY tools or books whatsoever, that will assist him or her on to self discovery.
I think you are teaching. That's always the impression I get from you. And it's much appreciated. But in case you aren't teaching, I wanted to let you know that not understanding what P'taah says doesn't mean one won't "reach that thing which is supposed to fill the emptiness inside." You don't have to believe that. Each person finds their own way, to the wholeness and oneness that they already are.
You can just say to yourself "Ok, so what else is new? I still think I'm a worthless piece of ****, who is separated, lonely, and without love - and that's the ego talking. I think I'll go with a different way of looking at this, and see myself as grateful for this lesson which helps me to see the truth of my real being. Thank you!"
But from your various writings, I think you already know all this.
Much love to you on this quiet Saturday Burake. Peace is with us both and all within our shared mind.
I just re-read your message Burake. You're right, everything is a game of love. Because love is all there really is.
One other point to make: learning to not judge the judgment, as P'taah has often said, is important in our progress.
If we want to leave the "struggle" behind, we can learn to look at our beliefs about ourselves and our judgments about ourselves without judgment, and the "struggle" fades.
The ego loves for us to judge the judgment. That's exactly what keeps the judgment in place. Yet looking at how we continue to judge even our judgment, helps it to dissolve into the nothingness from which it came.
Call it a struggle if you like, or think of it as a blessing and be grateful.
'In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God....'
The word is creative and powerful and real; and communication and even creation/manifestation would be impossible without words.
Words are real for :
' life and death are in the power of the tongue' Proverbs The Bible
It is our perception and intent that are truly important here, for as Barry Gibb(?) of the BeeGees wrote:
'It's only words for words are all I have to give my love(?) away....'
Think of all the great and noble books, scriptures, songs. and poems and soul stirring Declarations... all are/were possible only through words. So, though often misunderstood, words are a large part of our lives and even our very being.
But we of course for some reason, can't(or won't) accept this to be true, and so continue to live with our delusions (and we all do this to some degree) within the Illusion that we DO accept as our reality.
We need to keep ever before us the fact that we are created out of God or All That Is, which by its own definition is Perfect, Whole, Complete and All Powerful and Magnificent. The Creator of All and the Sustainer of the creation in its perfection. We are 'made' in this same likeness,image and potential ability and power. We ARE magnificent and of the same essence as God, in a way we are 'little' gods growing into/ becoming our own Godhood.
Yes, we need to keep THAT truth always before us. The trouble is we have come to believe that only saints and/or highly 'spiritual' people can do this and we 'mere mortals' can't. And so we don't. That has become our 'true' belief and that is self perpetuating because that is what we are lead to believe, and what we do believe, and so that is what we see and because that is what we see that reinforces our belief, and so it goes on and on and on..., and, of course, that is true because that is what is, is it not? And thus we say that those who think otherwise just can't see things as they 'really' are. So it can be said, and I think it is safe to say, that upon deep reflection most will 'see' the truth of this: that belief is the/a major part of the workings of how our lives 'work'. What some would term a Law, or Principle(which is something that is always so no matter were one may be) of life.
As Jesus and others have stated:
'be it unto you as you believe' or more modernly stated:
'What you believe you receive' or 'what you expect you get'
Therin lies the difference between what/who some call 'Masters'(and by masters I mean those who know fully how life works and live life fully by those Laws or Principles) and those who think of themselves as mere mortals. The Masters KNOW who and what they are and never doubt it or think otherwise and 'mere mortals' don't. They, the Masters, hold the belief that they ARE what they 'know' they are, and to them THAT is true and self-evident. The 'mere mortals' believe they are only just 'mere mortals' and hence capable of 'failure' and failings and such and thus they 'KNOW' that THAT is true and for them it IS true.
Now we are really 'Masters' as P'Taah and others repeatedly tell us.
This much repeated emphasis on essential truth gives us a great example,a workable technique or method as to how we can change/reinforce our beliefs:
By repeatingly focusing upon, reading about, telling ourselves and others, thinking deeply about, meditating on, affirming the truth of, the 'true' facts of what is and who we 'really' and then the 'true' Truth will seep into our deepest recesses and we will change as our beliefs and inner thoughts change.
However most of us don't or won't realise we are truly Masters: for how can we 'mere mortals' even think that? How can we have such 'visions of grandeur??? etc. etc. The Truth remains for us to assimulate that we ARE such Grand Majestic Beings and we have hood - winked ourselves to believe and live a lie.( Chris this seems to be what 'The Door To Everything' is saying)
So let us all wake up and put on our true selves and live, be, and truly become who we really truly are!!!
Let us, as Paul says:
' have this mind in you (ie all of us on this earth and specifically for us here on this board) that was in Christ Jesus, who though being in the form of God thought it not robbery to be God.....'
for
'Christ(the fully formed, awakened,illumined and consciously perceived spiritual man,or nature,within all of us - in reality our true nature) in us' is our 'hope of glory'.
May we all become the masters we are and know it, live it, be it.
This could be our New Years Resolution, and it is one we can keep - this year and for always!! Some would say that that is the mission we all here on earth for - our true and attainable goal or aim or purpose.
Peace and Love to All Dennis Last Edited on 11-Jan-2010 7:53 AM
Wow. That was one of the most inspirational messages I've ever read. Thank you! It brought tears to my eyes, as often truth does.
I certainly can't add anything to it, other than my undying commitment to that truth of which you speak.
It isn't an easy task, to undo our self-imposed conditioning, yet it can become 'easier' as we practice this concept so well stated in your post.
Thank you again for such clarity. I appreciate that so much, and you have used well the quotes given to make this excellent point.
Many blessings to you for taking the time to share very clearly this viewpoint dear brother. And many blessings to burake, Patrica and Reese, and all here who bring these points up in order that we may discuss them and consolidate them within our thoughts and our lives. I find that whenever there is a posting here, it is relevant to mine and others own situations, and it is often fruitful to follow along and/or to participate in these discussions, as they benefit many.
Dear Chris Thank you for your words - you have shown what I tried to say in my first post in this thread - that words are creative and powerful and can be used for good or bad. When I post I seek guidance within for my words to be a help and a blessing to us all and some times I come some what close to that goal.
And thank you too to Burake, Patricia, Reese and all the others for being so open and willing to share their inner feelings and thoughts - It is when we bare our souls that we can be made whole so to speak...er... write.
You are right all of you, there can be a struggle but it becomes a BIG tussle and appears a great tribulation IF we let it. The challenge is to be so single minded that we only have the 'true' truth occupying our minds and to constantly and continously be in that state. It is a simple thing to say- but not that easy for most of us to do, as our lives get in the way. We need to work - not to EARN a living (Our life is surely a gift and we don't earn it. Life IS - we need to live it!), we watch TV or read the papers, we allow ourselves to be affected by what others do or don't do - there seem to be a myriad distractions in our lives to take our minds off the single focus of 'true' truth and 'real' reality. We get hung up in 'the stories' as P'taah explains it.
Despite all these things the way forward is for us to make it a thing of importance, a priority, to
'seek... FIRST the kingdom of God (meaning what I term 'true' truth and 'real' reality)'and 'THEN all these things will be added unto (us)'
We tend to put it backwards- the cart before the horse as it were. We are encouraged to have a 'Master' mind and not a 'mere mortal' mind and then, to use christian terms, the 'mortal(our ego driven normal nature) shall take on the immortal(the spiritual or Christed nature that is actually within us)' and we will come into our own.
Yes simple but not to most easy.
Stuart Wilde also writes
'Life was meant to be easy'
(Despite what a disgruntled former Aussie PM said!)
and in a way it can be when we keep our minds CONSTANTLY focused upon
'whatever is true, whatever is honourable, whatever is just, whatever is pure. whatever is lovely,... whatever is praiseworthy' Phil 4:8 ( the 'real' reality and 'true' truth)
and through this we will no longer be
'conformed to the present world system (of thought- me), but be transformed by the renewal of (our) mind' and then we will be able
'to sense for (ourselves) what is the good and acceptable and perfect will of God'. Phil 4:8-9
Jesus said
'It is the Father's good pleasure to give (us) the kingdom'. Jesus also said, as quoted above, for us to 'seek (desire intensely above all else)' it.
"Life was ment to be easy", sounds good to me, and I want to believe it. I mean, it seems logical that this was God's intension for us all. But the question I keep asking myself is: What happened? Did God suddenly realize that "oops, I didn't see all this suffering coming"?
I agree that happiness is something we can achieve and it is just a matter of mental training and total acceptance of ourselves , but if we look at our history we sure did mess up this opportunity to have a good life.
Is it possible that we at this time are ready to hear that life is meant to be happy, but where not ready earlier in our history?
I mean, can we really say "life is meant to be happy" and at the same time look at all the misery through history where really so few of us entered the state of happiness, so few of us got the idea and understood how to use the "tools" of how to become happy?
What if this world is an illusion... a dream where we believe we are separate from God and from everyone and everything. Our very individual bodies tell us that "there is separation here", which is a belief in the dream.
What if we are really "Christ" or "The Son of God" and have never left our oneness?
What if God wasn't really even aware of this dream, because his awareness of it would make it real, and since it's not real because only love is real, it's not of God?
What if we (as ego) created this world of misery and unhappiness, because we thought we could do it better?
Why should we think that 'history' is any different from 'now' in terms of our 'getting it right' and producing a 'happy world'? Haven't we shown through millenia that we just keep being unhappy with our wars, disease, hatred, and judgment?
Isn't there another way... a choice we can make, that we haven't made before, that will change the way we experience this world that we seem to live in?
Can we make a choice for love instead of fear... can we choose another teacher besides the ego's thought system?
Yes, it's about a retraining of the mind, a switch in our belief system, a listening to another teacher. It's about learning to live in the reality of God's Reality, and not that of the ego's.
Do we really want to live in love? or do we have a vested interest in keeping ourselves separate? Do we have obstacles to the Peace of God that we may be unaware of, but that we can become aware of and thereby change?
I thought I would answer your questions with more questions, and if you want to talk about them here, I would be all ears.
Hi All and thanks for the insightful questions and ideas. I continue to wonder and ponder what it's all about and why and where it all comes from. I humbly offer what occurs to me at this moment:
Somewhere beyond time and space we are All Awake. We incarnate on earth to play the "Game of Re Awakening" (maybe because the experiences we glean from this exercise delight us in some way).
Like our fellow travelers, in order to play this Game of Reawakening, we all incarnate with our True Awarenesses (that are beyond space/time) Wiped Clean.
A fresh Slate.
The Game Begins. We are offered the current consciousness with which to play...this collective consciousness is our Gameboard.
We grow up hearing that this is the first time we are playing this game and we are told the only game pieces we may use to navigate the Board are what we see, hear, think is going on. Of course we are not told it's all a game. No. This is serious stuff. Life and Death. Good and Evil. Punishment and Saving.
In many ways we are taught the exact opposite of what we knew to be True when we resided beyond space/time.
The Collective conveys misery and despair, sickness and insanity, death and destruction.
Our own hearts convey (as Ptaah terms it) "the More".
Along the way we might grasp ...that we can decide how our experiences affect us. We may not know how or why things happen but how we respond to these things is very important to our Well Being.
Once we see that the collective gameboard is some sort of maze with no solution, we are ready to jump into a new game board with new "pieces" to play with.
a place where our hearts hold the "get out of jail" free card (a reference to an American game called Monopoly) -
Now we can play the game of learning to trust in our hearts' guidance, we can then start to See all around us that Peace IS possible (and not only possible but NORMAL!), and that if we can believe it and focus on it and practice it that Love really is who we are, and all there is.
We are still here playing the Game with everyone else but now we often lose the desire to win the game or to come out ahead of everyone else. We lose the fear that we will not win the game and come out last...We just ARE.
I guess this analogy works for me because I do love playing games. I am also not very competetive (sp?) by nature...I want everyone to win.
Much love on this lovely rainy day in Georgia. Patricia :) PS Just a note of thanks to those of you who participate on this BB and must use English rather than your native tongue to do so. you do a service by helping me see your point of view even though it must be challenging to state that point of view in a language you do not normally communicate in. (especially deep thoughts?!) Thanks very much!
Thanks Patricia - I would agree with your analogy, and appreciate its simplicity. I was thinking today how our human minds really are not ready for what I know will someday be understood.
Perhaps a difference I see from what you've written, is that I HAVE been fairly competitive by nature - it has been a wonderful challenge for me to learn to let that go, and to evolve into a person who WANTS everyone to win. I very much had to be right, and had to be the winner, and the hatred towards others was right under the surface. Truth to tell, there are times when that comes up for more processing still. But thankfully, we have P'taah's teachings and such things as A Course in Miracles, etc. to assist us, for which I am indescribably grateful every day. ;~D
Lots of love and blessings to you dear sister and all who share with us here, Chris
Haven't been visiting this website for awhile. Inspired to drop by and saw your post. Your questions are all valid, but the answers given to you...don't you get the feeling that you have been led around a garden? :) If you feel those answers, you know, deep inside, that they are "pacifying answers", at best. They get you frustrated because they don't really address your questions.
If you ask, "Why all these struggles?" They answer, "You are not there to struggle". "Where do human beings come from?" Ans: You are beautiful, perfect expressions of @%!$@.
Were your questions get answered at all? No. Not one bit. You are asking the right questions with the wrong source with those "answers".
How about this?
It is a fact that negativities can be found everywhere, inside human beings. Sure you can play Ostrich and bury your head in the sand if you want. But if you don't want that, and you ask, "WHY?"
Ans: You are here as a part of an experiment. What experiment? An experiment on what to do with negative energies. The negativities have been PURPOSELY CREATED at the start, to see how a hybrid species, the human species, tackle negativities. Once started, negativities breed negativities, accumulating until everything went wild, and blew up. Civilizations after civilizations got destroyed that way. Meaning what? They haven't found the cure!
That's why they keep telling you to embracing negativities, they want you to face it, and transform it!! They don't know how, they are USING you to figure out how. Have they done that themselves? THIS, is the question you need to ask those who ask you to do THIS and THAT, namely, your teacher. :)
My advice for you is, your questions are all on the right track, if you can't find your answers here, set the intention, "I want to find the answers to my questions 1, 2, 3...etc." You will be led to the answers, the truth. You will know it when you read them, especially you have been "fooled around" by so many. Don't give up, as some others have. :)
To Sunlake: I agree that some "higher" conciousness cannot possibly know how a human being can feel, if they have not been on our playground themselves and experienced what we experience. But, I still believe they still can see how to transform negative energy. And I firmly believe it works, to embrace our fear.
I do not believe our lives to be experiments, the negativity, the fear, is all a result of us forgetting who we really are. Simple as that. But our souls are bold adventurers, I agree on that, given it is quite likely we forget who we are.
To Chris: I agree, of course! God never left us, and we did never leave God either. But it's the feeling of separateness I was referring to. But anyway, I've been thinking about this and it's quite possible that God did not have anything to add or comment to our experiences on earth. We as God's representatives (or actually God itself) are the leading thought, the expanders of the Universe, and no one have ever did that before (not even God) so no one (not even God) could know what would happen. God is experiencing and expanding through us. The important thing is to know who you really are!
Love and blessings from Torbjørn in Bergen, Norway.
Dear Chris Patricia and all, What a profound discussion thank you. I loved your phrase Patricia 'Game of Reawakening'. To my mind we are a kind of experiment in deep amnesia of who and what we really are, perhaps there is no planet or scenario quite like it in the universe. I have just written a poem called Amnesia in an attempt to work through the considerable angst and wound and fear around that that always haunts us at the core no matter what spiritual or psychological or worldly distraction or 'method' we try. To see life as a game if a rather brutal one is a magical and masterful vantage point; the ancient Indians, who had a memory of a more advanced civilization Atlantis, called the universe the Leela or Game of God, who seems to set Itself to deep slumbering in all of us to go through a gradual gentle and /or cataclysmic process of awakening. I am always suspicious of people who say life should be easy! I don't think life was ever meant to be easy for 'the game' to work the players have to take it seriously and believe it to be real to some degree. I am haunted by Christ's phrase, "my yoke is easy and my burden light" but I don't think he means external incarnate life but life as one with the Father the perspective of the liberated soul which has detached from the dualistic matrix and roses in a minefiield traps of samsara. Even if however we have the view that life is a game I sometimes wonder in all honesty how much that really helps us when the chips are down so to speak. I will still cry when my family dies I will still be afraid of doctors and hsopitals as I age. I know for me it does help but a part of me stubbornly takes the game a bit too seriously at times and it still hurts though it hurts less and it is as Chris so rightly says easier to let go of being number one so to speak. I tend to seek a win win rather than win lose outcome for all, though I am not sure this is totally honest, there are still people I am afraid I dislike. I do not relish them being happy and successful I rather wish they suffer a little maybe learn to deeper 'better' people. But I know that is my bias and I try to have humour about it. I just can't always love or like everyone in present world. As one teacher commented we are being harvested into ascension while still in a brutally dualistic realm - this has never been done before, so the outcomes are uncertain. My views of'God' have been rather shaken in recent time I have been realizing how little I comprehend of the great mystery that is the Creator of us all. He It She planted the archetypal templates of all existence the vast magical electromagnetics of the crystalline grid the Thoughts the cosmic geometry (as Plato said "God geometrizes") and latticework of the divine mind and the sparks of divinity at the heart of all beings, then He rather left us to it! that is freewill and the results are often not pretty whichever way one looks at it! As Kyron once said we all have some fear of death the Unknown; if we didn't maybe we wouldn't want to nang around here too long! I don't want platitudes or placeboes I want the real thing but the real thing ain't easy, it's rose at the centre of the minfield an image that just came to me! P\Taah I have spoken with and listened to many tapes is wondrous being but what i sense is as many channels ET whilw there is great compassin for us I do feel it's from way way up there so to speak. I prefer to say we are not Masters but we are Masters in training and most or me anyway novice disciple still! But hey I am so graeful to be humble disciple of my godhead, that's enough for me Praise the Lord! Best wishes to all, Alanry
Maybe it is only a choice. What we perceive is not "given" but it is because we choose so to percieve. And we can choose a different way. When we are in judgement P'taah sais "take responsibility" and change the situation. What if we simply don't choose the judgement and pain and fear but simply decide to choose joy, happiness? Without judging the other way of focus and perception. I think it must be the same thing.
The main problem seems to me about the perception of "doing". Any way, teaching, method which we think first must do to reach enlightnement is wrong because there is and cannot be anything "to do" really. Trying to do comes from the belief that we won't make it. It sais we won't accept, we won't love ourselves, we won't develope on our way. But we are already love and do not need to reach it. It's only about being aware of it.
Who wants to keep "transforming" whatever negative energies when someone is generating them ON PURPOSE, and kept pouring toxins his/her way, USING and FORCING him/her to work as a transformer, as a machine?
Thus, all these talks of "transforming", "healing", "ascensding",.... are at best superficial, temporary fixes if the real culprit, the source creator(s) of these negative energies is/are not found out, and sniped at the very Source.
To find out WHO/WHAT this/these #&^^*&^% creators, of the hybrid species (human species) want, i.e. their purposes, you have get the information from OTHER creators, Master creators of OTHER universes.
This negativity experiment is the "game" a particular creator of "negative energies", which was a young, impish, inexperienced, creator's work. It was forbidded and unwelcomed in virtually ALL other universes, by their respective creators.
This irresponsible creator of this "negativity experiment" got permission from the Council of Creator, who initially 99% voted NO, by using the arguement, "There is a chance that some good things can come out of negativity". It was a conditional permission though, that the experiment will be terminated, and uncreated at some point.
Also, the initial plan was that only 2% negativity was allowed. By 2000, planet Earth's negativity level was 46%. Yes, the Council of Master Creators did admonish this immature creator. And had it "pay more attention to its mess" because it had taken a "hands free" approach to its creation here, i.e. slacken off.
On fear, most evolved ETs would literally have to put on protective gear should they walk around the streets here. They would be absolutely horrified and ask, "How on Earth can you live in such as toxic and negativity filled place?" The kinder ones would say, "Wow, looks like you guys are doing a Ph.D program here!"
Dancing lights that lived, looked like a million rainbows merging, coming apart, and shifting in density, and illusiveness as they grew into rivers of awareness, called out to be heard. As I listened to their foot steps resounding on the dance floor of life, I slid from this shell of flesh. The shell of flesh lay on the floor like an old shirt, as my being melted into this place of moving, brilliant colored lights.
Un-tethered, alive, and free my breath was as the wind. My heart, and soul became as fire. My substance became as rivers of water, and my souls signature, and essence became as the earth where the gardens of all existence grew like fields around me.
As I moved into this awareness of knowing, leaving this side of understanding behind me, the voice of the greater whole asked me to look back into the roles the flesh played out for different lifetimes, and different understandings. Growing in both Spirit, and flesh took time, and sometimes, with a step on the dance floor no time at all. Taking lifetimes on lifetimes, as if each cocoon of flesh were no more than a garment hanging in a closet, I stepped into the akashic records, and found the bridge between Spirit, and Flesh. And I wept with untold joy, humbled at the beauty I was part, and one with.
In wisdom, and knowing, I knew in Spirit, exclusivity excludes, it limits steps to a potential path of growth, and is often demanded out of fear, and the egos desire to feel singled out, and lifted on to a pedestal for self importance. Exclusivity says “Look at Me”.
I knew in Spirit, when the heart is broken open, as the cocoon around a butterfly does, that we were more than we dared to dream. I wondered might we find a way to rise above our self involvement, fears, and lies we tell our self, and open to the greater breath of love, wholeness, and existence. Might we live the dance, and not just sit on the side lines speaking what we think others around us want to hear.
I knew in Spirit, when we become that which we are in Light, we will no longer emotionally desire in closet places to hold on, clinging to limits, or live in a place of neediness that is selfish, and filled with expectations. But we will cry out to grow beyond what we know, learning to love from a whole place, as love opens the heart shaped cocoon within us.
In this place the life we live becomes but one breath into a greater dance where we will no longer look through the eyes of fear, and self righteousness, but will step up when we hear the sound of lights dancing around us as we join the dance before us. Knowing we are made for this understanding. We are made for this knowing, this growing as individuals, and as one wholeness, stretching, and coming back home to the vibration of the songs within us.
The depth we travel in side will be lived on the out side. The songs we know will not be forgotten. The dance are feet seek out to step into, will take us round, and round the dance floors we give our self too. Knowing one day as we give account of this place within us, we will also see how this dance we did, intermingled with the greater awareness, and wholeness that once wrote our names in the path of living energy that flowed through out time.
The only question asked from the other side is did we love from a depth of wholeness within us, so we might love with wholeness the greater Being around us? Knowing all else is measured by the limits we built around our self, and those we once knew, and someday will come to know.
When we can with pure heart open to this vulnerability, and share our most intimate places without drama, fears, and expectations, we will find a living wholeness rises up within us, and as we breathe the wonder of Being into a new existence we will also find our own hearts growing as we dance into even greater depths, and awareness than we knew.
This dance is the beginning, and end of living, and dying, like circles going round, and round. This dance is the meaning of life that is stagnate, or lived beyond the shells awareness, and knowing. This dance is why we are here, not forgetting who we are, but becoming more than we imagined, and dreamed we one day would be.
Returning to the flesh made shell that lay still where I had left it, I felt confined. I felt restrained. Then the early morning sunlight filtered through the curtains, and I understood that I was all things. I was both sides of the bridge. I was light, substance, heart, body, and soul. I was, for I am. Each of us are. Life has a way of showing us these things we wish to know, if we will but pay attention to the reasons we are here. This then is where the power of our choices opens us yet to the understandings we draw unto our self. May light, and love guide our path, and way as we learn to be our breath, and song within.
Sunlike: What is negative energy? It's the opposite of love; fear. The negative creators you talk about (Annunaki ?) has to be controlled by their own fear. Learning to love ourselves is the only way to stop the influence of any fear, ours or others.
I would define negative energies as those that are harmful to our well-beingness. One of the places that give birth to them is the idea of possession (e.g. if you are the creator of something, automatically it gives you the right to control "it"). And when the control freak finds out s/he can't do that, fear comes in, and that gives birth to the "grand kids", anger, resentment, manipulation ..etc.
A control freak may say, "I LOVE to manipulate, to control, to abuse, to take others' free will away, to make them my slaves, to put them in their places, to trash their self-esteem, to make them feel belittled, ...etc." and if you ask him/her why, s/he may say, "I am AFRAID that of them, and I LOVE myself, that's why I have to make them my obedient slaves".
So, this "love" and "fear" pair, at times, aren't opposite, but one breeds the other.
The young, impish creator of this Earth life-creation project is above the Annuaki, or the elohims, it USES them, inspires them. It is also the one who waved to Jehovah (the biblical entity) and said, "Hey, I got something interesting here going, wanna come here?" Jehovah was residing on negative Sirius (many planets in that system, majority positive, BUT one, which most evolved Sirians wouldn't even want to talk about is that negative one).
Jehovah and his bunch came because even he found the negative Sirians too much. Basically, he was scewed and escaped with his bunch. This is where the 144,000 number came from. There were 144,000 souls on board that vessel.
That bunch of rascals came to Earth, inspired by the immature creator who got this "something good may come out of negative energies" idea, worked together and cooked up a genetic experiment. The Sirians are by origin DARK skinned, and the origin of their hybrid species was the Africans. The Pleaidians are light skinned and the white race got that bit from them.
Jehovah and his tribe got others to "sponsor" his experiment. The male energies he got from the Orions which at that time were nothing but warriors, aggressive to the hilt. The feminine side he got it from the Sirians (the good ones). The Sirians didn't get along well with the Orions so the two USED this genetic experiment as an opportunity to see what would happen if the "lab rat" of these two races were quarantined on Earth. Same idea, "maybe something good can come out of it".
The feminine energy is nurturing, life giving. The masculine energy is provoking, attacking, and ultimately self-destructive. So, the war didn't start here, human beings were created as "lab rats", and Earth is the "Vietnam", "Warsaw" of these "evolved ETs". The Annunaki, along with the 95 behind the scene families, which run the shadow (the REAL) government, are their goons.
On evolved planets, evolved ETs NEVER kill to live, i.e. the worst they do is being a vegetarian. Most of them are advanced light beings who utilizes cosmic energies directly. If you look at planet Earth, you see how hideous the setup is, you start killing for surviving the minute you are born here, all lifeforms included. This is the FOOD CHAIN. It is a CHAIN of suffering. Another life has to be killed, painfully, for one life to live. THIS, is negativity.
Now you can see why so many ETs are hovering around this "zoo", yelling, "wow!, holy sh$t, they are all pretty much dead, look at how ignorant they are, separated from life, they don't even know what/who they are, how they are being used......"
Dear Sunlike, Wow, that was quite a rough and tumble ride through history there! I am sure there is more than a grain of truth in these scenarios. I don't think 'lab rats' entirely sums up our human story though it may certainly seem like it at times. "You can't fool all of the people all of the time" applies here too. There is what Meister Eckhart called the God beyond God (or gods) - there is Truth and perfection and unconditional love and great wisdom which some humans have always manifested and manifest still even during the darkest times. There were periods in Lemuria and early Atlantis when many humans were highly spiritual and created much beauty and harmony and even in our historical records one can see from Egypt and the Mayans and many others astonishing beauty knowledge and insightful wisdoms from the divine essence of these "lab rats", not to mention the Christs and the Buddhas and the great shamans and saints and yogins that are scattered like fine gold dust thoughout all times and cultures. While all the above has influenced us and dominated many it is not the whole story and never has been and in our perfection within us is the multidimensional core that remains awake and beautiful and peaceful and innocent and free as on the First Day. You can be your own divinity or a 'lab rat' it's up to you!
Sunlike, you wrote: "A control freak may say, "I LOVE to manipulate, to control, to abuse, to take others' free will away, to make them my slaves, to put them in their places, to trash their self-esteem, to make them feel belittled, ...etc." and if you ask him/her why, s/he may say, "I am AFRAID that of them, and I LOVE myself, that's why I have to make them my obedient slaves".
So, this "love" and "fear" pair, at times, aren't opposite, but one breeds the other."
Why does a control freak say that? Because the feeling of power is a good feeling. But the sensation he/she feels is only a short moment of power, by putting himself/herself in dontrol of others. This feeling, I believe, is actually the natural feeling of power individuals may experience when they are connected with their higher Self. The feeling of not beeing worthy is the predominant feeling/energy on our planet, and it feels as a big releaf when you don't have this feeling. That is why control feaks say they love to feel being in control of others, they feel less unworthy, because they are on top of others. It's of course a distorted way of seeing things, but the feeling is nevertheless real. Our sense of love, happiness and power is our natural feeling when connected to our Superconciousness/Higher Self/Source. Fear is lack of Self-love (and you may say not the opposite, even if their manifestations may seem opposite), and fear is the reason why a control-freak believes he/she has to control or possess others. Fear and the feeling of being not worthy is pretty much the same thing to me.
With information like this, the accuracy test is your inner knowingness. The human conscious mind cannot "get it", it isn't designed to do that. Intuitive truth, or gut feel rightness, is the way to go with such information.
Lemuria was doing fine when Jehovah and his bunch came to Earth. Before Lemuria, the Andazi was doing even better. The Andazi were fully realiazed beings who dwelled upon earth since the very start,i.e. even before the Lemurians. They moved inside the planet, and let Jehovah and his bunch got their genetic experiment going.
The joke of the universe was that Jehovah and his bunch (Lucifer included) came along, saw them running around, no "sophisticated arts", no "tall buildings", ..etc., and thought they were primitive beings who needed "saving", and "plenty of lessons". The Andazi, being fully realiazed beings, could manifest in different dimensions as ANYTHING, from rocks, to trees, to any lifeforms.
Atlantis ended up destroying itself, exactly because this bunch of rascals (Jehovah and the 144,000) carried the negative energies here, and started creating the human "lab rats", to see what would happen if they "mixed positve/negatives" within the "rats".
This is why all human beings were, and are, born with conflicting energies INSIDE them. The struggle were both inside and outside.
The majority of human beings never realiazed they were "lab rats", it is very easy to pat these "lab rats" with "you are very much loved", and give them a candy or two, they are still needed. These ETs are trying to solve some of the biggest unsolvable problems in the universe, mixing polarity inside the same species. In other places, beings just go separate ways. That's well those Orions warriors stayed on Orion, the Sirians on Sirius.
A few beings from positive planets such Sirius (christ energies) did come to help the positive side here. Even before they came along, there were a few pleasant surprises that came out from these "lab rats", on their own; which was why the experiment was allowed to continue despite the level of negativity already went through the roof, from the original intented level of 2% to 46% by 2000.
One of these surprises is HOPE, the other one is the WILL to survive at all costs.
On evolved planets with pure positive energies, such as Pleaides, nobody ever knows, experientially, what HOPE, or WILL to Survive is. They understand them intellectually as something like "yeah, I heard about it". But if you ask them if they want to give this dish a try, the answer is, "No, thank you". :)
Lab rat or not, you have no choice. That is, if you don't even know you are being used as a lab rat, being spoonfed a couple of teaspoon of sugar now and then, just to keep you going. But when someone finally tells you why you start struggling the second you're born, from inner to outer environments, you have a chance to break free.
It is so because the poor "lab rats"'s mind is ON PURPOSE, as part of the experiment, being "sliced" apart, the "godhead" is being "taken away", or "truncated" from it. This is the so-called "Veil of ignorance". This is why virtually all human beings are in search of that "something".
For the really "ignorant" ones, they use money, power, sex, marriages, security, drugs ..etc. to fulfill that "missing half" (actually a lot more than half). That's also why NONE of these can bring that fulfillment. They were searching for the wrong thing! This is also the ultimate struggle, the so-called "to go home". What is "home"? The whole thing (full consciousness)!
When you have that, your "inner knowingness"won't have to come to you like "leaking drops from a waterpipe", whatever you want to know, it comes STRONG, CLEAR, and LOUD. You never have to stick up your ears and say, "huh...huh... can you repeat that again?" :)
I would call it the "veil of forgetfullness". We needed to forget who we really are, in order to enter the physical life. And that was our (all the souls) free decision, we are volounteers. That was also the reason we were "trapped" into what you call the lab-rat experiment. We had lost our feeling of sovereignty, and felt dependent of something higher than ourselves. We gave our freedom away, because we already had lost it. Because we had lost our feeling of being worthy. There is not a source of not Well-being. There is not a source of sickness. There is just the disallowance of wellness. In every particle of the Universe there is that which is wanted and lack of it.
is it not also possable, if we take our hearts, and face energy we have smashed against the mirror of life, and see from a different perception that we did not forget who we are, but we came here for the consequences? We chose the form that would best teach us what we desired to understand, and know.
You see on the other side of these flesh made walls we now surround ourself with, we live what we know without growth, and consequences of our thoughts, and actions. We desired so much to Become Love on a deeper level of awareness that we were willing to make this leap, becoming our own shape shifters so that we might grow, and understand what we are capable of, and to embrace that its not what is done to us, But what we choose to become that opens the understanding, and answers we wish for.
When we stop fearing this awareness that we are Love, and what this means, we will open as a flower does to the sun, letting us see our beauty on what ever path we so choose.
Then when we return to that which we once knew the whole grows, because we have grown. In this dance we change and with graditude leap again for we are Love.
As an earth worm once said to me..."Want to change your perception of the world you are living in...then change the direction you are focusing on, and digging with your thoughts. In this, as you change, your world changes."
This veil of forgetfulness/ignorance is said to be used on voluntary souls who volunteed to allow part of themselves to become the "lab rats", or the "lower self", namely the self they use as "myself".
In many new age teachings, it is taught that this "higher" self is all positive, kind, knows so much more...etc. However, this "higher self" is just sitting there, saying, "hey, kitty kitty, come over here, when you are here, everything is fine and dainty, no more negatives, no more sadness, ..." Think about it. What an attitude?!
Who is suffering here? Ans: The "lower-self". Why did the soul volunteed (if true) for something like this? Who created the soul for what purposes? Ans: The soul has its own lessons to learn. The "lower self" is also there to TEACH, give FEEDBACKS, to this "higher self", which is floating in its "merry go round", saying "I am not the one who get to suffer, by the way, what is suffering, my dear lower self, I don't have an iota what you are tallking about!".
Where did the soul learn to become that obedient/endowed with a slave mentality like that? Who gave it its order? The creator of this particular bunch of souls. The lesson for each soul is ---- learn to learn to think for itself.
Virtually all other lifeforms on earth is a teacher for human beings. THEY weren't, and aren't, cut off from the life. Earth worms, dolphins, trees, birds, ...they are all "stationed" here to teach human beings. Back to their home planets, the majority of them look anything but like the animal form they take on, on earth to inspire human beings.
Another common belief is that the creator of this experiment is a "all loving, all kind, no dark shadows" consciousness. The truth is that, just like the "lab rats", ETs...etc has its dark, or negative side. The "sunny side" of this creator is achieved by its pushing its "dark side" into the "other side of the mirror". This is what some call the "parallel universe", where everything is reverse.
In this universe, only a few planets have so much negative energies, negative Sirius is one, the other is Earth. Parallel to this universe is the flip-side, the opposite. All this is is a part of the impish, immature creator. This is what the immature creator of this universe has been trying to solve. Polarity. Where else can these two opposing forces come from?
This "you are made in my image"is "I created/generated you with my genes".
This "my genes" is actually comprised with MANY genes from different ETs sources. The "offsprings are their creators' hope of resolving THEIR positive/negative polarities.
It is the Orions saying to the Sirians, "we are polar opposites, there is no way we can work out our differences. Let's get married, give birth to some kids, and let them, with our genes mixed together, sort out OUR problems FOR us". Obviously, they never thought about what their offsprings have to go through. And now, they are telling their offsprings, "you volunteed". That is a pretty "smart" way to stop all questions from these "offsprings", or "lab rats", concerning responsibilities.
They will have to face the consequences, for sure, once these "lab rats", or "offsprings", remember what happened, when they get passed time/space, and check out the whole truth.
you wrote, Sunlike: "In many new age teachings, it is taught that this "higher" self is all positive, kind, knows so much more...etc. However, this "higher self" is just sitting there, saying, "hey, kitty kitty, come over here, when you are here, everything is fine and dainty, no more negatives, no more sadness, ..." Think about it. What an attitude?!
Who is suffering here? Ans: The "lower-self". Why did the soul volunteed (if true) for something like this? Who created the soul for what purposes? Ans: The soul has its own lessons to learn. The "lower self" is also there to TEACH, give FEEDBACKS, to this "higher self", which is floating in its "merry go round", saying "I am not the one who get to suffer, by the way, what is suffering, my dear lower self, I don't have an iota what you are tallking about!".
Where did the soul learn to become that obedient/endowed with a slave mentality like that? Who gave it its order? The creator of this particular bunch of souls. The lesson for each soul is ---- learn to learn to think for itself."
My answer: it almost sounds like you think about your Higher Self as an enemy. Our higher self is not positive, its not negative, it just is. Like God. God is nor positive neither is God negative, God is. But for God to expand Godself, and to experience Godself, our souls set out on the quest to expand and experience all that is; God. That's what we are here for. To expand God, and at the same time understand who we really are. It's quite possible to live on earth and not suffer, and that is also what we are here to understand. We are stuck in the suffering, and our focus is on the struggle. But it's not neccessary. We know that now.
I believe in reincarnation. This means "we" chose this life experience. This is for eveybody like this. On the other side "when we are in the knowing" that we are eternal beings, "one" with everything the possibilities of growth are limited. So we just choose a game to learn. And then we forget that we chose it. But I believe that we can remember. Of course I doubt it sometimes too. But then I remeber again. If we really knew that we cannot die, what do you think would this be a huge lap towards remembering the love we are? What would that add to the meaning that life has for us? I am working on this consciousness. I simply try to remember it, to stay with it, to live with it. Because I choose to grow.
The soul is originally undivided. It has its lessons, one of which is to think on its own.
The definition/description of god as "god is"is as meaningless or meaningful as saying "I am", "You are", or "the wall is".
To start with the most basic struggle, without conscious awareness, inside the physical body antibodies are at war with all kinds of virus/bacteria non stop. The moment it gives up the struggle, i.e. failure of the immune system, it is time to look for a spot in the cemetery.
As I have said, once you know what you are dealing with there is a chance you can break free, or end the war of polarity, if not the one outside, at least emotional/mental one that is inside.
Knowing that our consciousness is immortal already is a huge leap in consciousness for any human being. How does anyone know that, by someone telling him/her that?
That is not a bad start, the best way though is to have some kind of personal experiences. You don't have to get it through something as dramatic/drastic as a NDE (near death experience).
There are very scientific and proven techniques/ways to get out of the body. Check out Robert Monroe on the internet, he was the pioneer in this field, also the founder of The Monroe Institute.
Everything he did (he passed away in the 90s) was scientific to a tee, double blind, triple blind experiments....etc. In his days (the 1950s), it is almost like having a scandal in your family if you announce "I can get out of my body" publicly.
He found out the proven formula to "get out of the body", the "secret" lies in putting your left and right brain into a sychronized mode through tones. It has to be at a specific level of sychronization. The Monroe Institute still offer courses to the public.
Many die-hearted psychiatrists, engineers, sceptics ...etc. tried it out there, and got the "experience of their life". You can also read books by Bruce Moen, who graduated there with remarkable abilities in this area. He is an engineer who failed miserably at first, when everybody else is getting it. His books tell you how he overcome his mind, and also teach you how to get out of the body.
Whether you are made of love or fear, joy or sadness, I think most people would agree you are both.
On growth, how do you define growth? Is colonization, conquering other countries making other people your slaves growth, or expansion growth? Can cutting some part of yourself off, as an integrated soul, dividing yourself into a "higher self" and a "lower self", then have the lower self run around like a headless chicken looking for its head, spiritual growth? These are all questions that only the person who wants to "grow" can answer.
Virus/bacteria is not necessarily an enemy of the body. It's our belief that it is, which makes it an enemy. Without consciuosness, no physical life at all, so it's the misconception (the fear) of the "lower" consciuosness that makes everything an enemy.
The vast majority of children who died of AIDS in many undeveloped countries didn't even know what a virus was, let alone believing viruses were their enemies.
This fear of "lower selves" can also create friendships, wedging "unlikely relationships" out of necessity when facing a common enemy; this is one reason cave people gathered and lived together. The human species would long be extinct if this "fear of the lower self" only made enemies out of everything.
I want to continue with the topic struggle. Here's my experience with it: I am looking for something. I read books for this. I am looking for methods to reach that what I am looking for. They call it enlighetenment. They call it accepting yourselves. Do you know what happens then? Then I start thinking: OK I read this and now I must do it to reach the goal. Do you see the problem here? I MUST do something in order to be me. This is how the mind works. My mind thinking doesn't understand that with every attempt I am putting that which already is into future. I must accept myself, I must align the judgement etc. AFTER I have done these or these I will be enlightened. Do you see the misunderstanding?
"Enlightenment" for all but a very, very few who have realized it, has not come to us as a species for many thousands/millions of years. Left to our own devices, we are a warring, separated, fearful group, going around and around the merry-go-round of successive lifetimes for millenia. Without getting it. Without becoming 'enlightened'. War continues in the external world, and within ourselves. We haven't been able to reach understanding of the truth of ourselves on our own. Our egos and our identification with ourselves as a separate, individuated body, has grown very strong in this physical world, but not in Reality.
We now have the guidance of books and beings such as P'taah and others, whose presence and guidance we've asked for, so that through our own decision, we can make another choice rather than the war/fear/hatred/pain we have experienced for so long.
Exposure to teachings of truth that is read or experienced through books or association with our teachers such as P'taah, helps us to choose whether we want love or fear. It's like a helpful hand extended to us, and if we find it useful, we can take the hand and see where it points or where it leads us. It offers us another thought system to choose besides that of the ego's. It offers us the thought system of love instead of fear.
The thing I've learned, is that it takes a while to undo our choice for fear. We have to LEARN through our own experience in choosing love, that we are love. And there will be many, many, many times that we choose to remain in fear and in judgment of others and of ourselves, instead of choosing love. Yet that should not deter or discourage us. Instead, we can look even on those choices for fear and judgment, with love.
And as we learn to look with love and non-judgment at these instances when we have chosen fear or when we have had thoughts of attack and judgment towards another, we become less afraid. We find also that we notice that we do not experience as much fear and judgment as we used to. Yet still, we will have moments of fear and judgment. However, because we have learned to look on these moments with love, the fear continues to diminish. We become more ourselves, more "en-lightened".
Reading books of pure truth and listening to wisdom teachers simply is a message to us saying "It's totally ok! You're going to be fearful and have thoughts of judgment. Yet when you look on these moments of fear and judgment while resonating with love and non-judgment, you will learn that the truth of you IS love, and anything else doesn't exist in Reality."
One of the things that P'taah said that has stayed with me was "Don't judge the judgment." Meaning that when I judge myself for judging another or for judging myself, I don't need to judge myself even more because of the fact that I have judged! Instead, look on it all with love and non-judgment, and use your tools to learn to resonate with the love that you are. (Another meaning for "Don't judge the judgment" is to not judge another who is in judgment of me.)
Instead of a struggle, it becomes an adventure in a seeming transformation. I say "seeming transformation" as it only seems to be a transformation because all we end up doing is discovering that we are love, and that we never have been separated from all that is. It was only a dream that we thought was real, but isn't.
The struggle ends when it's more important to you to find and know truth. You become less concerned with reading everything you can lay your hands on, and become more discerning about taking in only the purest of truth teachings. Then you let them guide you with the Love that those teachings reflect, to look with Love on all that you think is wrong with you or another.
It's not that you MUST do something in order to be you, or that after you've done this or that you will be enlightened. It's simply that you can learn to make another choice. Reading pure non-dualistic truth books that have little or no egoic orientation (and there are not that many of them) can offer you that gentle hand of guidance. Only you can choose whether to follow that guidance. It's not so much a doing as it is a decision.
On our own, because the mind is so overtaken by the ego, we have not been able to see truth completely. Using tools can be a useful stepping stone to realizing my own oneness. The idea is to not judge any of it, if I fail at any point to choose for love, but instead look with love at that decision to choose fear, and then choose again. And as we've learned, there are only two choices, love or fear. The books and tools help us realize that we have a choice, and that there's another thought system we can choose from, other than the ego's.
Yes Chris, it is a decision, an act of will. That is "the doing" part.
To burake: the ego-mind need some time to understand that all this doing is not necessary, but time is all that is needed. Just give it some time, but be as clear as possible about what you want.
Different people has different views/ideas/definitions regarding enlightenment.
For general purposes, The New Oxford Dictionary defines enlightenment as "the action or state of attaining or having attained spiritual knowledge or insight".
In the East, Buddhism describes enlightenment as the awareness which frees a person from the cycle of rebirth.
In the West, enlightenment was something different, it was a European intellectual movement of the late 17th and 18th centuries emphasizing REASON and individualism rather than tradition. It was heavily influenced by philosophers such as Descartes, Newton, Goethe, Voltaire, Rousseau ...etc. Actually, discussions on the power and use of reasons go all the way back to ancient Greece (Socrates, Plato, Aristotle..etc.)
To continue with the topic of struggle/enlightenment, what is your definition/idea of engligthenment, and why do you need it, Burake?
Dear Chris, Sunlike, Torbjorn, Wondrous and fun-serious discussion, many thanks. Actually ‘enlightenment’ is very much more than some dry philosophic reasoning in reaction to religion, it also has had its rich semantic equivalents in western culture. In the Middle Ages saints and devotees inside and outside the church sought Union with God and the redeeming and undoing of the Fall in Christ and Mother Mary who was the salvific bridge back to the Father; in modern times writers and psychologists like Maslow have spoken of God and Self Realization and the famous Cosmic Consciousness of Bucke; or full mature individuation and integrating the conscious and unconscious mind in Jungian terms and the healing of fragmentation and the shadow possession that often afflicts our human race. As Chris pointed out, while a worthy goal, actual enlightenment is very very rare but there are also degrees and partial illuminations. I have had the grace to meet a few humans, men and women, who definitely had some qualities of enlightenment and were AWESOME to behold! Their presence filled a room of hundreds of people brought tears to the eyes and exquisite love to the heart for self and all beings. Why do we need it? because without this, our true birthright; we are indeed the caricatures you describe so eloquently and often the slaves of dark forces that cause immense disruption and suffering and such is their purpose indeed which they fulfill well; perhaps too well! - to distract us from our divinity. This is how the game is set up down here or how we have set up the game. I loved your characterization of spiritual life as a nonsensical dashing around like headless chickens looking for the Higher Self! Love it. In all honesty human life often feels absurd to me and I am like a dog chasing his own tail - he has tantalizing glimpses of but never quite catches hold...Why do we do it? I don't know any more than you do. There just don’t seem to be many other things ultimately worth doing or maybe I am just an enlightenment addict, can’t kick the habit over many lifetimes. The traditional. answers of Theology/ new age etc. I admit are not very satisfactory. I am not sure you are right though in, like the ancient Greek Gnostics, blaming an immature God (tyrannical Demiurge that He be!) for this maddening predicament we find ourselves in; that seems I must agree all but insoluble on its own terms. The great German poet Rilke called us “the bees of the invisible”, like spirits entering the strange and foreign land of the physical to gather and garner the nectar of multiple flowers of experience and greater individuation /initiation into greater and deeper Self awareness and knowledges as harvest for the One Being, the Godhead, All That Is. If our earth’s Creator Logos is immature what is he immature in relation to? By what standard of maturity or absolute purity? Conversely, the very difficulty and dramatic venturesomeness of our human experiences; particularly in their quite extraordinary freewill potentials may in fact signify a greater maturity for our Logos i.e. he ventured the darkest and deepest depths of the Creation and the most fine tuned, dynamic and intense polarity plays ever staged! One thing we can say for sure of our world it ain't boring! I recommend the Law of One series, great stuff here I haven't found anywhere else.
A good question indeed; "our earth’s Creator Logos is immature what is he immature in relation to? By what standard of maturity or absolute purity?"
By the standard of 187 experienced creators (i.e. determined by how many creations they have completed, what happened to their creations...etc). Almost all of them were against any use of negative energies (i.e. physical/emotional/spiritual pain inflicting) in their creations.
What happened to this immature creator's creation? Guess how many planets already got blown apart as a result of its "game"? Six. To give an example, with planet Meldek, the planetary soul literally blew itself up (i.e. commit suicide) because the toxic/negative energy level was too high for it to deal with. With Earth, Atlantis blew itself up admist the battle of polarized, conflicting energy between and among the sexes, combined with selfish and exploiting technogies. Feel familiar when you watch evening news?
Eyptians/Orientals/Greeks...etc. all have their mythologies about wrathful gods fighting wars "somewhere in the skies". From what we learnt from some of our channelers who channel creators of universes, these ancient folks weren't that far off. For someone who never heard of microscopes, let alone genes or advance genetic, polarized experiments on some headless chickens, you have to give those ancient channelers credits.
"he ventured the darkest and deepest depths of the Creation and the most fine tuned, dynamic and intense polarity plays ever staged! "
You wouldn't find Jack the Ripper, Hitler, genocides, suicides ...etc. in other creator's creations.
How mature, and how much "spiritual fun/growth/discovery" is "gained" through this "intense polarity play", you have to ask those who were being tortured to death as part of this "game". If you say, "Look at the bright side", then I can imagine 187 experienced creators of universes say, "To see what the bright side looks like, why don't you come and take a look at our creations?" :)
Dear Sunlike, Thank for your stirring stuff you certainly have a point and our planet creation is surely immature. I don't know though there is Logos within Logos group soul within group soul God within within God as it were it is all ALL One ultimately, our sub Logos may well have chosen the difficult path and I agree with you but there is still the ultiamte bias towards unconditioanl love as Christ said God is Love and the Law of One states there is a positive bias in the creation. How many human are anything like Jack the Ripper or Hitler in action and as P"taah says Ithink to give us hope and feel protected how many earths are there? as many as beings. Some people may choose to experience very negative scenarios others may not and may never face them. We are not vistims really unless we choose to be. And how do you out pf intense evil there may not come a good undreamed by easy way creations? Interesting eh. I am with the latter else this universe makes no sense. Even the worst torture war etc. is mercifully brief as time here is - boy my fufty years seems like a blink - and as spirits when we die we are beyond the heavier vibrations of our pain so lighten up God is merciful! Have a great sunny day, Alan
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You certainly have a point and our planetary Logos seems surely highly immature. I don't know though for there is no separation and there is Logos within Logos soul within group soul within group soul and God within God within God within God!!! Our solar being, our sub Logos may well have chosen the difficult path and I agree with you but there is still an ultimate bias towards unconditional Love, God is Love, as Christ said. The Law of One states there is a positive bias to the Creation as your body always seeks to return to health and homeostasis as nature regenerates itself eternally. How many humans are really like the Ripper or Hitler and as P'Taah says there are as many earths as beings? Some people may choose to experience very negative scenarios and others may not and never have to face them. Still others, Christ and many others like those Jews who faced the gas chambers but refused to hate or these Tibetan monks who strove to maintain compassion for their Chinese oppressors, enter the dragon's den to show that Love is stronger than all, and in the end conquers all. We are not victims really unless we choose to be. Of course that is easy said....I am with you there. Yet how do you know out of intense evil may not come a greater good undreamed of by those who have never known anything else in more loving realms. One teacher Bashar - gives the analogy of an elastic band being stretched to max one way then being let go and woosh flying equally far to the opposite extreme! Facing dark people and situations while not easy has made me stronger and deeper as a being - it is my gift to the Creator part of His experience too. Even the worst torture war disease etc. is mercifully brief and in the worst of times in history our lifespan has contracted! I just thought of that. remember for the Divine there is no time and all ages are but a blink. Our Kali Yuga then is almost a no time our historical records are highly inaccurate and the human race is far older than we think and all beings evolving unto fifth density and beyond will eventually transcend polarity and we will have the fruits of our darknesses but the dimmest memory of its actuality. We can change the past too by changing our consciouness in the present as P'Taah and many teachers allude to. The ancients lived far longer than we at their zenith when they were still connected to Spirit in early Atlantis and Lemuria and we still have the same potentials; we can change our DNA and raise our vibration as some of us are beginning to. "Ye are gods" - indeed. My 50 years seems but a blink really and when we 'die' we are beyond the heavier vibrations of our pain - another indication most potent that God is merciful after all and our Logos may know more than we know! I recommend again the Law of One and Ra's discussion of life on Venus, a positive oriented planet, most illuminating. Have a great sunny day, Alan
The major misunderstanding for many is that there is only one creator of all the universes out there, when there are many universes. Even the recent new age jargon of "all that is" is a deceptive term trying to make people believe that there is only one boss covering all the creations.
There is one Hitler, how much sufferings did he cause, how many suffered? And how many "Hitlers" were/are running around on this planet in forms? How many "Jack the Rippers" were/are still rounding around?
"ALL One ultimately, our sub Logos may well have chosen the difficult path and I agree with you but there is still the ultiamte bias towards unconditioanl love as Christ said God is Love and the Law of One states there is a positive bias in the creation."
I would say there are many ones, ultimately. This "oneness teaching" to me is geared toward ending the polarity conflict, so that the many ones can get along without killing each other.
As I have said, there are 187 creators of universes, all experienced and against the use of negative energies in their creation. So, the "bias" is totally against the creator of this polarity experiment.
Guess what this immature creator is most interested in? Variety. This is the prime reason it creates a polarized universe, at ALL costs, against the advice of all the other experienced creators. Guess what its lesson is? Compassion.
"My 50 years seems but a blink really and when we 'die' we are beyond the heavier vibrations of our pain - another indication most potent that God is merciful after all and our Logos may know more than we know!"
This "life is a blink" is the lame excuse of the immature creator of this experiment uses to justify its acts.
Notice it creates suffering at the most fundamental level, starting with the food chain, and secondly by cutting off of all communication with the other benevolent creators (the 187 ones), and thus creating total isolation, separation. This is how it generates negativity (e.g. killing) at the root level.
Imagine a rapist saying to its victim, "This is just a blink". Do you think s/he can justify raping by this lame reasoning? Only a compassionless being would utter a statement like this. Suffering is suffering, no amount of meadering or sleazing can cover the act. And we are talking about CREATORS of UNIVERSES here, EXPERIENCED ONES. Practically EVERY CREATOR out there knows what this compassionless, immature, variety seeking at all costs, creator was, and is, up to.
This is also why MANY experienced creators view this immature creator of the earth experiment with disdain.
"Some people may choose to experience very negative scenarios others may not and may never face them."
Can you find me one human being in the entire history of mankind who hasn't faced negative scenarios in his/her life?
This "you choose this and that experience, be it positive or negative" kind of talk gives you the illusion that you are in 100% control of what you experience when you are not. e.g. Can a human being choose not to reincarnate?
Knowing how immature, irresponsible the creator of this polarized experiment is, we need to be very careful of this "you are responsible for all the sh?ts that happens to you" line of arguement. It is highly likely to be one of excuses to run off "karma free".
Who is ultimately responsible for all the negative energies generated? Ans: Who else but the creator of this negativity experiment? We don't need mercy from this kind of creator, it is the other way round, it is "IT" that needs forgiveness and mercy from the souls it USED to fulfill its obession for variety WITH a compassionless heart.
You see, the other experienced likes variety, nothing wrong about that. They do not delve into negative energies, i.e. ruthless means to get what it wants. Because they have compassion!
