Hi All - Thought I'd start a new thread from the one below because I was interested in discussing the notion of "preaching" and "lonliness" mentioned in them.
I am finally finding a great peace and assurance in this regard, but twas not always so. I YEARNEd for a likeminded friend, I yearned for a group to share my thoughts with, I felt very alone in my beliefs: first with Christian Science, then A Course in Miracles and then w/Ptaah.
I used to try to play the early Conversations w/Ptaah to loving friends/family...it was frustrating for them and the quality (at that time) was pretty awful, so you had to turn the sound way up to hear Mickey and then BLAM, Ptaah's voice would come over like a bullhorn! Ha.
Anyway, I realize now as Philip says that I just needed to sit back and keep asking WHY do I want to share this information...My answers have changed over the years but here's a summary: 1) It will HELP them in their view of life 2) I'm special and I know stuff that other's NEED to know 3)I want to discuss this with another person 4)I am lonely and need validating
After years of working on this particular issue I am not not so concerned what other's think of Ptaah. I am not proselitizing my stuff. In fact, I have discovered how resently I GET when someone I love (or just know) trys to convert me or tell me about some new marvelous teaching. And so I see how I must have sounded back then, when I was quite preachey.
I have also learned that everyone can offer me their version of wisdom, which is valid and just as important to my growth as my Version of wisdom.
I'm not sure when all this occured, but slowly the anxiety left me over this issue of TRUTH.
I think the bottom line is that in all that time, I was simply searching for ME, Patricia- for the ability to wholly LOVE ME! I have now begun to accept and honor this ME, and this has made all the difference. The need to SAVE others has dissipated from my belief system. And of course, I have renewed compassion for those who are still striving on that path to create salvation (enlightenment, truth, understanding etc) for others.
Much love and thanks for this BB. It does give me a place to learn and share my learning and I am most grateful.
PS I loved the conversation for October with Mickey, Alan, Jules and Jani/Ptaah. Great questions Alan and thank you Jules for your participation and comments. I appreciate you both (Jules/Alan) for creating something I could enjoy so! Love from the Southern US, Patricia
thanks for your sharing. I feel similar now (no need to "preach") and in fact I've had the experience of feeling offended when the Mormons kept coming to my house. (I'm not going to theirs with P'taah's books). But we've had a nice conversation and I was able to tell them not what I believe in, but why I don't want them to come to try to convert me to their teaching. Funny when we experience ourselves from the other side.. Much love to you, Nele
Yes, I hear you. Not really very fun to have the Mormons or Jehovah's Witnesses, or any other religion really, trying to push with force so that you'll be converted. And not fun to push back ourselves with our own beliefs and try to convert them.
There is an exquisite difference though, I think, between being preachy, and being a teacher. I have a friend who I met on this bulletin board years ago - maybe 1999 or 2000. He and I emailed briefly back then, and then a year ago I heard from him after several years had gone by. This one has been a gift to me as he is the teacher I've put forth to the universe that I would love to have, and I've been able to be a teacher to him also, as well as student. We have been both to the other.
In this relationship, of mutual teacher/student experience, there has been an acceleration for me on my path to awakening to who I am. The love shared is unspeakably delicious. And this spreads out into all aspects of our lives. His influence as a teacher has meant that I have come into a speeded-up understanding of the love I have within, that can be shared with every stranger on the street, equally, as I share with my teacher.
My point in saying this, is that when all is "in the ripeness of time" as P'taah has said, our desires are answered. You can desire to meet like-minded people, and when the desire is sincere and strong, the universe feels that resonance, and sends you your match.
So yes, be not attached to any outcome. Yet, a desire for a teacher of truth in the physical realm, when sincere and committed, will yield results. And the result of having this individual in your life, fills you with gratitude, fills you with wonder, fills you with awe of the Divine Nature of your own Being. Having this teacher (who is also your student) brings to you the understanding that there is no difference between us. There is no purpose of his that is not also mine, and vice versa. Together two such people have the opportunity to accelerate their recognition that they are one with God/All That Is, (which is what "Christ" means), and can subsequently express love TO EACH OTHER, which adds to their ability to understand that love and not the physical body, is their true identity. They become witnesses to each other that each of them is simply and only and wholly (Holy) love, and that nothing else is real. I see that my teacher is Love and he EXPRESSES his love to me because that's what he IS. The love I feel from him resonates with me (who is Love also but I just don't quite believe it yet). Thus, from the feeling of the resonance in me of love that he is showing me, because that's who he is BEING, I see that what I'm feeling in him, is what exactly I am!!! And then at the same time, this whole process is going on for him in the same way. All that I saw in him, he sees in me. It's like this richocheting love=love=love=love. Like I say - it's pretty indescribable. And also, it's not 'special'. I start seeing that there is no separation with anyone or anything. I begin to sense the love in everyone and everything. Equally.
Well. Wow. It's really great. Better than sex. This kind of love is what Real sex is. The kind that we have here in the physical realm, this is fake sex. It's not the real thing. The real thing is wayyyyyyyyyy better.
By the way, I like your title for this thread: "Finding the Familiar". Cool.
Can I just say one more thing about teaching. Actually a couple more things.
A really good teacher has mastered the art of teaching which means that they have developed a keen sensitivity to whether a person is RECEPTIVE to hearing the teaching. If the student is not receptive, there is no place for the wisdom to go. The student must desire to learn, must be a receptacle, a sponge soaking up the knowledge. A practiced teacher will easily be able to pick up whether the student is receptive to what (s)he has to teach.
Second, the teacher always teaches what (s)he herself/himself wants to learn. Because the student is receptive to the teaching, and because the teacher is teaching what (s)he wants to learn, the student and teacher are really student and student. Yet they are also teacher and teacher, because they share the same understanding, and mirror it back and forth to each other.
It is a blessing to be a teacher/student, because it means there is enough desire in the heart for truth/love, and that the person holds it as a high priority, and sometimes the highest priority, to find it. This can only bless because with truth and love comes revelation of awareness of oneself as the non-separated, perfect eternal extension of the mind of Source. It brings about the identification of oneself as that, and not as the illusion of fear, sin, guilt, unworthiness, etc.
Patricia - I understand what you are saying about forcing ones beliefs on someone else. This comes from egoic motivation as you've pointed out. That 'preachiness' never really teaches, and we can see how people just aren't interested.
But I have learned from you Patricia. You have said some profound and wise things here, and for that I am very grateful. Thus, I wanted to make a distinction between being 'preachy' in an egoic way, and 'teaching' as from a place of unified oneness. I know you are aware of this - I just wanted to mention it, probably because I want to learn it myself.
Much love and peace I give to you this early morning dear friends - this mornings and all mornings, I am grateful for each of you, Chris
