"As you are looking to expand consciousness, as you are looking for change, as you looking for a path, in a way, we say to you that everything that you read, that you hear, that you look at on your what-is-called internet, all of this information can be very overwhelming at times for you. And we say that it is important that you come to discernment so that you may know what serves you best.
Of course, you know, your heart tells you, really, what is in your greatest interest, what is most beneficial. However we say to you that there are certain pointers that you may utilize to be discerning about what information is important to you.

The first thing we would say to you, if ever anything that you are hearing presumes that you are less than perfect, less than eternal, less than an extension of the Mind of Creation or the Unified Field of Consciousness, then this is not your highest truth. All right? You are perfect, you are eternal, and you are indeed an extension of the Mind of Source. It can be no other way.

If what you are learning presumes that there is a ‘should’ in there somewhere -- that you ‘should’ do it this way or you ‘must’ do it that way or you are going to miss the boat, that you will never know what it is to spiritual enlightenment, this is not your highest truth either.

If anything that you are learning is fear-based, this is not your highest truth. There are no ‘shoulds’, there are no ‘musts’, there is only the yearning to be the more that you can possibly be.

So we say to you, all of this is a game, also, in that you are already what you are trying to be. You are already perfect. You are already perfect, not perfect when all the bits are fixed. There is nothing to fix. There is you learning to be more of you. To learn more about love. To learn more about laughter and play. There is only you having this, your human experience, one of hundreds. And that experience may be a joy, may be fun, may be play. It is certainly whatever you create it to be and you can create it any way you want.

So we say to you, have fun in your learning, have fun in your journey of expansion into a greater awareness. And we are with you on this wonderful journey.

Namaste."

Dennis here:

I just saw that Ptaah ( Well really Mickey but you know what I mean) has changed the welcome message. I only have just clicked to this, and, in the case there are others who like me haven't realised this is a new message from P'Taah, I have taken the liberty to post it here.

This is a timely message. We are already perfect and complete – we just at times don't realise or remember we are. However now I understand in a fuller way that we can be perfect but still yearn to learn to grow (into) more about what and who we are. For some time this concept had confused me.If we are already perfect why and how is all this 'stuff' about Spiritual Growth to be understood. I knew that it existed and was a good thing to attain to (afterall that is why we are here-both in life and at this bulletin board), but I couldn't really reconcile it with P'Taah's and others insistence that we are already perfect.

So thank you Mickey for posting this here. And a big thank you P'Taah for, as you so often do, answering my questions even before I had truly asked them.

Namaste and Shalom to all of us here
Dennis
 

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I think the first time he spoke it on one of the conversation cd's I thought "you're kidding" - why have I been striving and straining to attain a spiritual state then?" - and another time I heard it I thought - "Balderdash, it's too easy, then - what about all the sacrifices & deprivations the Biblical prophets teach" -

Now I am starting to live it in myself and with others. I see why I have never made a mistake, as Ptaah says. And I see why it's possible to "lighten up" -

One year I was going through such difficulties that I decided at New Years I would make a Mr. Lighten Up figure (my husband has a pottery studio) and so I hand molded my little guy, who turned out to be a head w/shoulders and looks a whole lot like a Dr. Seuss character. I scratched on the back of the head "Mr. Lighten UP" and he reminds me to remember my Life is a game.

I have discovered that delving into some kind of creative act when I am going through trauma (the death of an animal or some other strain) reduces the overwhelming feelings tremendously and I am gifted with a terrific 3-d memorial, if you will.

You know really I just realized while writing this how blessed and grateful I am, because I have always believed that the "cure" for anything I am involved in personally lies within me, and so I just patiently wait for it to "arrive" (in a dream, a magazine or just a thought to try "this" )- I think this must be where I get so much of my strength and (usual) calm....and I truly believe this about each of us (that the answers lie within), for we are just facets of the same Gem!

Much love to you Dennis " Mr. Free" - Patricia

It appears to me that that is my whole reason for coming to Earth.... to Yearn! It is a marvelous feeling, isn't it? (and my other reason is to be of kind assistance)

Lovely paragraph, at the end of your first posting in this thread, about the answers being within. That is where they are, and only there. A beautiful point beautifully made dear sister. I can feel that strength and that (usual) ;~D calm that you speak of in your words. I've always been very grateful for your expanded perceptions and thoughts, always grateful for the love you share on this board. It is truly felt, and blessed are you, that you share this love with us here.

Much love I send you this day, tied up with little bows of blessings ;~D Chris

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I'm quoting you here:

"We are already perfect and complete – we just at times don't realise or remember we are. However now I understand in a fuller way that we can be perfect but still yearn to learn to grow (into) more about what and who we are."

What you seem to be saying is that your confusion about how we could be perfect and complete already, and at the same time yearn to learn to grow into more of who we really are (which is that perfection), was now understood by you after reading P'taah's message.

Would you mind expanding on that idea a bit for me? I would love to hear your further insights and awarenesses on this subject specifically.

The question to answer specifically is "How in a fuller way, having read P'taah's words, do you understand that we can be perfect but still yearn to learn to grow (into) more about what and who we are?"

Dennis, you are my brother. I can feel you and you can feel me. That's all the proof I need to know that Oneness is.

I am so looking forward to your answer, and I anticipate that it will teach me much. In fact, I know that it will.

Love to you always and always, Chris

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I also realize that the tough part for me is that although the answers lie within me for "my situations" - I often stand by and bite my nails when something comes up that concerns another....for me this is where the metal hits the road (or whatever that saying is?).

Happy Hallows Eve Everyone - It's been a great day for me today and Chris my dearest just added the whipped cream. xxoo

"What you seem to be saying is that your confusion about how we could be perfect and complete already, and at the same time yearn to learn to grow into more of who we really are (which is that perfection), was now understood by you after reading P'taah's message"

Chris you then ask:

"How in a fuller way, having read P'taah's words, do you understand that we can be perfect but still yearn to learn to grow (into) more about what and who we are?"

I have endeavoured to answer this below.You know how to ask meaningfulquestions:)It took me a while to compose my thinking and I do hope it is not too longwinded:. It is a little long but I have done my best to explain how P'Taah's thought has cleared up that question for me:

Ptaah says

"there is only the yearning to be the more that you can possibly be."

Now how can we be more than we are??
My answer or way to look at it is:

Yes we are already perfect. We are 'created perfect, we are made in the 'image and likeness' of God - I am using the Christian idiom here. Now whatever/whoever we each understand as 'God',I think we all agree that God is perfect. So as we are his children (in a deeply spiritual way),then in that same way we are perfect too - we must take on the characteristics etc of our creator. So what 'God' is we are, what 'God' does we can do.

The Bible states, and Jesus is said to have said

"You are Gods" and Jesus is also said to have said:

"The works I do you shall do, and even greater works than this shall you do"

Now Chris I ask all of us here

'Have we ourselves come anywhere near this state??

The yearning and process of becoming is to reach this state and go beyond it as there is no end to our glory and magnanimous magnificence.

I was at one stage in my life a devout and very fundamentalist Christian and believed that Jesus was my Saviour and died for my sins etc. I even spent 4.5 yrs studying at Bible College to go out and preach the gospel.

Now I understand/view things in a different way.This explains I hope what I mean by yearning and growing into our perfection:

I see Jesus as our brother, who showed us The Way. And that as we follow his path we too become as it were 'one with God'. Jesus constantly is said to have said: “I and my Father are one”. He became at this at-one-ment through his more advanced spiritual nature – possibly through previous lifetimes - but definitely through his spiritual practice of true prayer and probable other techniques – that we are yet to (re)discover.

He lived fully this state - he lived and breathed it and thus 'became' it more and more in his nature and experience: and as we realize this state (by following his example) we can do the works he did, and to become as he did in nature of our consciousness.

We need to develop and grow into this from where we are, that is to yearn to advance in our spiritual understanding, so that we develop our way of thinking and prayer etc and become like Jesus, thinking like he did and thus eventually being raised up (in consciousness, not bodily) after we thoroughly leave behind as dead our old way of thinking and believing (eg like the race mind, all of our self- sabotaging and limited beliefs and such) and nailing that (our old body of thought and belief) on the cross (that is put it to death within us).

That now is how I view Jesus's life and crucifixion- It may well have an historical basis – but this, to me, is the true spiritual teaching behind it.

So Chris, I see growing into our perfection as a journey and a yearning. It is definitely to me a learning. And an unfoldment of what can be.( see too my post above my steps post)

So are we perfect? - yes. Like a new born baby is perfect.
Do we/have we experienced that perfection in all it's varied nuances and meanings?? - yes too - but in varying and individual differences, similar to that new born baby learning and experiencing the life he/she is yearning/desiring/anticipating (well when grown older in years)to live. Each baby experiences life differently. So too do we in progressing or growing into /further into our perfection. we can know it is before us, we can even have rare glimpses of it and thus come to anticipate it. However no matter where-ever we may be 'along the road' there is always more - a never ending adventure ahead for us all.

P'Taah

“So we say to you, all of this is a game, also, in that you are already what you are trying to be. You are already perfect. You are already perfect, not perfect when all the bits are fixed. There is nothing to fix. There is you learning to be more of you. To learn more about love. To learn more about laughter and play. There is only you having this, your human experience, one of hundreds. And that experience may be a joy, may be fun, may be play. It is certainly whatever you create it to be and you can create it any way you want.”

I feel P'Taah here is saying something along the lines of what I inferred above. I have only added a more 'spiritual' assessment. I yearn to be learning 'to be more of' me. 'To learn more about love. To learn more about laughter and play.' and to learn to experience the truth of what my perfection is and can be and how that perfection just keeps on keeping on becoming deeper and deeper and realizing it's expansion just keeps - well expanding.

Does this answer your query Chris??

When P'Taah says:

“There is only you having this, your human experience, one of hundreds.”

he may be referring to us having many human experiences,( as in lifes), but could he also have been referring to us having hundreds of experiences within our human life but above and beyond what we, at this moment, understand? To advance into this understanding; that is the yearning to perfection I refer to.

I close this with our mentor's words:

“So we say to you, have fun in your learning, have fun in your journey of expansion into a greater awareness. And we are with you on this wonderful journey.”

Namaste, shalom and peace Dennis
PS Who is the 'we' P'taah refers to above??

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Thanks for your post

We are all - all of us here - Mr and Mrs Free
and may we always be.

Much Love Dennis

I'm glad my question resulted in your thinking this through, and going into more detail, which I like.

Who we really are, is Christ. Christ is God's Son as He created him. He is the Self we share, uniting us with one another, and with God as well. Christ is the link that keeps you one with God, and guarantees that separation is no more than an illusion of despair.

While we think we are this body, within this physical realm, we will not identify with our True Self, which is Christ.

Yet we have that yearning to be what we already are, but just don't know that we are That yet, in terms of our conscious experience.

I think this is what you are saying. This is what I think P'taah means when he says "there is only the yearning to be the more that you can possibly be."

"The more" is Christ. We yearn to know ourselves as Christ, in pure non-separation from All That Is. That yearning is the desire I talked about in a post I just wrote to you in another thread. We all have that yearning and that desire. And we all get there eventually. We don't have a choice in that, because Christ being Christ, it just is. What we do have a choice about, while we believe we are operating in this illusion we call the physical realm, is WHEN we decide that the time is ripe and we're ready to be our Selves.

That's why this time in history is so exciting - because so many of us are feeling that the time is right - for dancing in the streets. Or in other words, for choosing love.

Again, my thanks and gratitude go to you always for your perspicacious comments.

And you ask "Who is the 'we P'taah refers to above??" He has talked before about being on the "Board of Directors", mentioning that others such as St. Germaine are on that board with him. Ultimately however, P'taah always reminds us that there is NO separation. The "we" is All of us, as One.

Much love and blessings, and joy to the world, Chris

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